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- From: olal@plea.se (Ola Lidholm)
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- Subject: Re: Zorro (Dave Haynie Please?)
- Date: 10 Mar 1996 21:11:46 GMT
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- JR> i`m not hardware guru dave himself but i should be able to answer some of
- JR> your questions.
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- OL>> I have a question about the "DOE" signal in the bus, in "A500/A2000
- OL>> technical reference manual" it says that this signal is ment to be used
- OL>> to enable the buffers on the expansionsion board (PIC), and also it says
- OL>> that the timing on this signal changes if the buscycle is a read or
- OL>> write cycle. The "RKRM: Hardware" does not give me any more clues
- OL>> either.
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- JR> i quote from amiga hardware reference manual 3rd edition (you should buy
- JR> this reference manuals series. it`ll answer all of your amiga related
- JR> questions) page 415:
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- If you read a couple of lines above, you will see, that I already have it...
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- JR> "data output enable (doe) this signal is used by an expansion card to
- JR> enable the buffers on the data bus. the bus master drives this line is to
- JR> keep slave pics from driving data on the bus until data time." every pic
- JR> contains 74fxxx drivers, without them the pic won`t match zorro bus
- JR> timing and voltage conditions.
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- And, as I have, it, I have already read that.
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- OL>> So what I'm wondering is, are there any timing diagrams available where
- OL>> you can see exactly how the timg changes, or an exaple as to how you
- OL>> actually should use this signal. In the "PIC example" also published in
- OL>> the above mentioned book, the signal isn't used at all; it is simply
- OL>> stated that that pin (#93) is "reserved".
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- JR> timing diagrams can be found on pages 416 to 423 in the above stated
- JR> book.
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- Yes, but they do still not give me a single clue to as how the timing on this
- signal "changes" (as it says in the A500/A2000 tech ref man) between read and
- write buscycles.
- Read and write cycles look just the same to me...
-
- Maby this timng cahnge thingy is just a typo?
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- JR> a pic could work without doe but you can`t be sure that your pic`s bus
- JR> timing is 100% correct. in fact those adaptors using a pee cee harddisk
- JR> controller
- JR> (omti, seagate) at a fixed address never acknowledged doe. using doe
- JR> makes your design reliable, at least your zorro3 designs.
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- JR> if you understand german you can find a working zorro2 autoconfig design
- JR> including schematics and pal equations in the c`t magazine (november
- JR> 1989, pages 266 to 272). it`s used for a transputer link interface. some
- JR> general amiga information you`ll find in march/april 1990 mags. check
- JR> also c`t www pages at http://www.ct.de
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- OK, I understand german enough to read an article, not enough to make a
- conversation :)
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- I don't think I need it that bad. I will probably sort it out anyway...
-
- But thanks for your help.
-
- ---
- Ola Lidholm
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